The ‘Original Sin’ Incomprehension.

4 responses to “The ‘Original Sin’ Incomprehension.”

1. Tim Germain

   August 2, 2014 at 2:59 am

   The bible says we all like sheep have gone astray not born astray. We are all guilty of sin, but not by birth. Sin is not transferred from Father to son nor son to Father. EZ.18:20 Through Adam sin came into the world and death by sin..physical..by one man many where made sinners by one man many shall be made righteous. Rom.5..We save ourselves by obedience to the gospel to repent and believe. God witnesses to our inner man that we are his by his spirit. Rom8:16 5:5 and Hebrews 9:14..we pass from death unto life..Children are not guilty of any sin.

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   • Lightship Chaplain

     August 3, 2014 at 1:40 am

     I never heard of a sheep or any other animal being born astray, that is a ridiculous analogy, to try and prove a point.
     Like I said; Death includes the whole package: Body, Soul, and Spirit. You cannot justify yourself, or a lie, by simply attempting to throw scripture verses, at spiritual darkness and death.
     You must be crucified in Christ alone, regenerated and transformed into a new being.
     Only an enemy of the cross, refuses be crucified in their flesh; and like “most broad-roaders and anti-Christ’s”: It is they who want to be in command and control of their lives, and the lives of others, instead of allowing Jesus Christ to be made LORD.
     One must come to the Lord with childlike faith, listening and moving in obedience to him, and not dictate by doctrines and personal perspective, what they think God requires towards salvation. This is what the Scribes and Pharisees did to Christ, and his disciples.
     I cannot make it clearer than that; if you cannot understand the depth and seriousness of sin, between God and man, then you cannot understand your full need of a Savior and Redeemer, and more importantly; making Christ Lord of your life. You nor I, have not the power nor the ability to do this on your own. Most want Christ as Savior; but only a small remnant will make him Lord over them, and turn themselves over for execution… Why execution, because the wages of SIN is death! If one is “spiritually regenerated”, the spirit must first have been dead!
     I’m sorry Tim, I make it a point to be respectful, but you came and posted on my blog, a blatantly wrong doctrine, in a heated, and disrespectful tone, which I believe is a heresy; yet you expect me to accept it as truth.
     If you had used a PM, or even presented your views in a humble manner publicly; I would not have found it necessary, to be so assertive and chop your legs off in such a manner.
     [Titus 1:13 – This testimony is true. For which cause reprove them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith] [Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.]

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2. Tim Germain

   August 3, 2014 at 3:06 am

   We are talking about children brother not those who have come to an age of accountability. Children have no understanding at all Roland. They can neither obey or disobey the gospel. They do not have any concept of sin, righteousness, duty, etc. They are not sinning against God. What sin do you accuse them of?

   Once a child understands concepts of following one’s conscience and what she or he should be doing they then are accountable for their choices, but until then they are quite alive spiritually. Read Rom.7:9 Paul said he was alive without the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived and i died. Note he was alive. The whole 7th chapter of Roman is about the flesh and one trying to please God without the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Children are not condemned but praised. The Lord said unless you become as a small child you shall not enter the Kingdom of God. Suffer the children to come unto me and forbid them not, for such is the kingdom of God.

   The scriptures says we all like sheep have gone astray…I am showing that we have gone astray and are not born astray.

   Also, God creates people and every time someone is created by God that person is sinless. It is not the parent that create children but God. He not Adam is the creator. He made man upright,but everyone goes to his own ways.

   So in summing up children before the age of accountability are not sinning. God creates man upright and not Adam. (Eccl.7:29) Sin is not transferred parent to child or child to parent. (Ez.18:4,20) Christ never sinned not because he has a different kind of body (Heb.2:14) but was obedient to the FAther in everything.

   Once someone does sin then he is a sinner and guilty before God, not before. A thief is one who steals, not because he was born that way. Unbelief is a choise and God condemns sinning not how you are born.

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3. Lightship Chaplain

   August 3, 2014 at 4:45 pm

   I still say that sounds like Gnosticism by not including the human spirit in the fall of man. And to me; that is the most important part of the equation. Perhaps you are confusing our sin natures, with sins? I don’t know or pretend to know everything, but unless the Lord shows me differently, I must conclude, that we are all BORN sinners, (and thus, as Jesus himself taught: WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN! If the physical body was the only thing which was separated from God by sin, then we would not need a new birth… Would we? I have said enough on this issue, retching intellect cannot receive the things of God as they are spiritually discerned! Sorry, but I will now disengage with you on this issue, thank you for taking an interest in my posts.

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