It is the premise which is flawed!


I understand now that most people who start with Christ will take the broad road away from him, primarily because they don’t have a love for him (or the truth) nearly enough to remain faithful, ( that they might be saved)  and then many more are found pondering just what “type of ground” the seed has fallen upon.

I believe that is a fair question, and one we must all struggle with in being the Lord Jesus Christ disciple. It is irrelevant to me “if they were truly saved to begin with”, or if they have “failed to enter into full sanctification, in being transformed into Christs image”.

Doctrinal Debates based upon the Bible on this issue seem to be questioned by each new generation of believers, and I think that is a good thing! 1 John 4 tells us to test the spirit’s” in knowing who confesses Jesus Christ is Lord (within them) and not just “simple beliefism” they have been taught up and coerced into believing by the power of mere men.

“All that the Father gives to me will come” Jesus said, so  all works of men in the flesh preaching are irrelevant to me.

At this point of the article, I have experienced great division amongst brethren, one feels its by their actions in choosing to follow Christ above all else, (once they have been graced) and that they must be ultimately justified in the faith by choosing the “narrow road” which leads to life everlasting: and yet others feel that it is by grace alone that the Lord is the keeper of their souls, contingent that their hearts are right with the Lord, despite their many shortfalls.

In other word by Grace alone they will start and end with Christ, (which is what I tend to believe given that men are fallible). Yet others may feel that you cannot make excuses for failing to follow Christ.

I think this is a fair assessment of what I’m struggling to express.


Here is a PDF on this subject matter, and although it is not as good as I would like, it still gives a fairly good overview of this theology and its shortfalls … Satan Exposed


 

Recently I have been accused of loving the world more than my Lord, and when challenging that viewpoint, that I am in rebellion against the Lord. Whereas, I see this as passing the wrong type of judgment, specifically the condemnation and chastening of God part. In broad terms, it is in loving America, and supporting the President. This is seen as divisive and carnal, when the higher prize should always be the kingdom of heaven.

Yet from my perspective, this is a judgment of some people who feel I love Trump, and traditional Americanism, more than Jesus Christ himself! Forgive my crudeness, but I have to throw the bullshit flag on that one! Also these men don’t see they have done anything wrong with such condemnation, as they think themselves spiritual and their thought processes above reproach!

Honestly, I really wish I could be so sure of my walk in the Lord that I had no conviction of ever being in sin within my personal walk. Than to top it off, I am told many don’t like conversing with me because of my sharp tong, and pointed responses. I suspect this has more to do with being called a “Trump Worshiper” or not taking any guff when someone threatens to physically assault me online, as I dared and tried to correct them in a rant. Of course this can all be turned on its head when people try and discard or discredit you, (like the video I recently made) by subverting what you have said and done, into their own contexts, for their own purposes!

Besides all this, I can remember the Lord once told me working in a barge before I was married, that he was going to give me “the gift of the sword, but be careful how I used it or I would cut myself to ribbons”! Perhaps this is the out working of that prophecy to me?

Anyway, what is even stranger to me is how I have now become an “enemy of the Cross” to people I believe are deceived into believing a form of Lordship Salvation, and where I have been forced to break all ties to what “I now see” as a heresy.

This has become so evident now, that I am accused of being chastened of God (for my hardness of heart, I suspect) in having a heart condition in which my immune system has fault off infection to my heart for perhaps 14 years on my implantable defibrillator! To me, this shows the Grace of God to me, especially when given the top surgeon in the world, who took my case on as a challenge! Blessings to this man, who had the hoot spa and expertise in saving my life! Yet, although I am really hurt by the chastening accusation, I am grateful enough that these brethren have at least recognized me in being of the Lord’s workmanship!

I could go on and on showing different scriptures in this area, but I now must take solace, and trust the Lord given my fallibility and for what I cannot see, in being utterly dependent on grace, as there is no good within me, (naturally) and is what I was told of the Lord in Spirit the first time I nearly drowned: “You Can Do Nothing”!!!  And with that, I leave you with these scriptures…


 

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone boast.” (Ephesians 2:8)

“… who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.” (2 Timothy 1:9)

“And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.” (Romans 11:6)

“Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” (Romans 5:1-2)

“For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men …” (Titus 2:11)

“But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.” (Acts 15:11)

“But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.” (Ephesians 2:4-7)

“… that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.” (Titus 3:7)

“… for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus …” (Romans 3:23-24)

“For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17)

“Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace …” (2 Thessalonians 2:16)

“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence …” (Ephesians 1:7-8)

“For if by the one man’s offense, many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.” (Romans 5:15)

“… having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved.” (Ephesians 1:6)

“But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 5:20)

“I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” (Galatians 2:21)


 

And may the Lord show grace to my accusers, like JOB showed grace to his accusers, Amen, and thanks for taking the time to read my viewpoint within this struggling chapter of my life.

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2 responses to “It is the premise which is flawed!

  1. Lennart

    Roland
    It is a very informative explanation you have given as a summary to those who criticize you.

    Let me say :
    1. The Bible is not written to everyone so you do not have to receive comments you have not requested. We who are in the “called” property teach each other as siblings. We do not criticize each other for Trump or patriotism, and so on. And above all, we keep it within ourselves.

    2. Paul said that if it benefits me, I’m mortal. Needing me to be weak, I am so. It is a matter of course that, as a human being, you must have experience of the earthly to know what you are talking about and be able to distance what hurts. (All is allowed but everything is not good) Whoever does not know where the boundary goes is no believer but a hypocrite. I do not think you Roland is a hypocrite.

    3. About Trump and Patriotism
    You who serve under Trump are under his rule as the Jews were under the Roman Empire. Jesus spoke not only of the treasure in his response to the Jews. Here, your critics must realize that, as Citizens of a Country, one can not distance themselves from the prevailing power instituted by God. That is, Kjesaren is the one you sound and earn in earthly life, but another God says something else in our spirit. Those who do not understand this must immerse themselves in Paul. When the day comes, when we must choose who is our true Lord then the hypocrites will crystallize. When they have to leave children, relatives and others. It does not matter if you were a patriot or drummer, it’s about who your Lord is. I can fulfill my human duties as Paul said and promote to Jesus Christ where necessary. We arent Jesus we are his children. (hes sheep) Paul appealed to the Ceasar in an earthly manner against all intrigues, but on God’s mission. Our world is already sentenced and opposed to destruction, and therefore, those who defend their land through their leaders who have the sword of God are better than the wicked ones against the precious leaders. Which leader is rigth or which leader is wrong for his country is another question. Roland, let your critics kick themselves if they can not regret it.
    Mark 12:17 And Jesus answered saying to them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marveled at him.

    4. Roland’s hard heart ………
    Who has the hardest heart, an unbelieving earthly father who gives his children the best food to eat, or a follower of Jesus who criticizes his sibling for not following Jesus and having a hard heart?
    As a delinquency “The wrong link between humans and animals is the lawyers according to the evolutionary theory,” but we in our “family” have a lawyer between us and the Lord God. His name is Jesus Christ. He will speak to you of who has the hard heart and then, as Paul (Christ’s prisoner and servant) said, many critical mouths will be clogged.

    In fidem
    my hardness of heart,

    • Wow, that is some endorsement for the would be follower of Christ, God bless you, that is the nicest thing I’ve heard recently brother!

      I would like to add that our friend, and brother, has an excellent understanding of the scriptures in contexts and in balance! It is tragic to me that such a man cannot see their own shortfalls, and is blindsided to even consider another’s viewpoint. Thus creating a type of whipping boy to be gossiped about, and used as an example to help prop up their position, feed their pride, and ultimately to help bolster and strengthen how they are perceived by others.
      I haven’t the natural speaking ability to command such a following, nor can I harness the scriptural texts (naturally) well enough to even defend myself.
      Oddly enough however, the Lord promises to lift up the lowly and contrite in Spirit to ultimately bring glory to his name. So being utterly dependent upon the Lord and his mercies can never be a bad thing!
      We must remember to pray for those who would trample us underfoot, Amen.

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